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5 State of New York. In Convention. Record 2011 (1894)

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      STATE OF NEW YORK.







IN CONVENTION.







             RECORD


                         No. 111.


AFTERNOON SESSION.


      Friday Afternoon, Sept. 7, 1894.
  The   Constitutional Convention of
  the State of New York met pursuant
  to recess in the Assembly chamber, in
  the Capitol at Albany, N. Y., Septem-
  ber 7, 1894, at three o'clock P. M.
  President Choate in the Chair.
  Mr. Vedder-Mr. President, just be-
fore the committee of the whole rose
at the hour of one o'clock to-day an
important amendment was offered to
the proposition under consideration by
the gentleman   from  Buffalo, Mr.
Becker. Those who have been opposing
many features of the proposition de-
sire, as I understand it, to debate that
amendment, but under the previous
order of the Convention they had no
opportunity to do so. I now move you,
Mr. President, that this be the order
of the committee of the whole; that
that amendment which is pending shall
be taken immediately, and that those
who desire to debate it, or to oppose it
-I will put it on that ground-that
those who desire to oppose it may have
an hour in which to do so, and that we
shall have an hour for the debate, and
that the -vote shall be taken at least
by four o'clock. That will give them a
full hour to debate the proposition.
  Mr. Veeder-Does   the  gentleman
mean to' go back to the committee of
the whole?
  Mr. Vedder-Yes, sir; and that at
four o'clock.
  Mr. Root-Say quarter past four.
  Mr. Vedder-That at fifteen minutes
after four o'clock the vote shall be
taken on that amendment, and then
on the main proposition.
  Mr. McClure-Mr. President, I rise
for a question of Information. What
is to be the order of procedure with
referenc@ to other Important amend-


ments to this apportionment bill than
that offered by Mr. Becker?
  Mr. Vedder-In regard to that, sir,
  they will all proceed, I suppose, in
  order, as if this motion had not been
  made.
  Mr. McClure-Why so?
  The President-That Is the rule es-
  tablished by this Convention.

  Mr. McClure-Then I move, sir, that
  any amendment offered by any mem-
  ber of this Convention shall be de-
  bated and fully considered before a
vote shall be had upon it, just the
same as the amendment offered by Mr.
Becker.
  The President-The question is on
Mr. Vedder's motion.
  Mr. McClure-Mr. President, I move
this as an amendment to -Mr. Veeder's
motion. I cannot understand   why
an amendment proposed by one mem-
ber of this Convention shall have the
distinction of being considered and
explained, while  other  important
amendments, offered by other mem-
hors of this body, are not permitted to
have a like explanation and discussion
accorded  to  them. I   think there
ought   to  be  a   fairness about
this  thing.  I   have  not   been
able  to   follow  the  discussions
throughout  upon   this  discussion;
but sir, it seems to qbe an extraordin-
'ary innovation upon the rights of -at
least some of the members of this
Convention 'that only one amendment,
and that the one proposed by the
chairman of the committee and a mem-
ber of the majority, should be singled
out for discussion while the other are
no't permitted 'to be discussed.
  The President-Will Mr. McClure
please to restate his amendment?

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