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104-10180-10132 JFK Assassination Records Archives 1 (6/16/1961)

handle is hein.jfk/jfkarch14523 and id is 1 raw text is: S '> ..SEGSET 11M ANDUM FOR. TE RECORD 5L'3JSCT:. Initial Dearief ifg of A 16 June 1961. 1. Subject was met at. the Hotel -Dupont Plaza from 0930 t2 1515 on 15 June 1961. 2.- Most of the conversation at this first meeting centered on debriefing of staybeiind net, propaganda effectiveness and, prLarily, a own future, 3. Propagada.' Subject stated that the fish symbol appears everywhere. He has seen the symbol in elevators, public buildings,. public toilets, bus and train depots, park benches, etc. Fis remark that,.You were always conscious of tre.:'i despite the fact that in .most places they were taken down immediately, is quite indicativ'e of the wide disti-ibution and use of the symbol. Koit of the symbols that he' saw were in chalk tather than the blue stamp. Subject believes most people thoug'.t the fish to be a Christian s-mibol rather than a counterrevolutionary one. Subject had seen many clandestine newcpsperts leaflets, and pawnphlets even up until the last moment of him departure. He -listed Avarde, Roscate, Prensa Libre, Bohemia Libre and La-Marina As periodicals he had. aeen. He saw them in private homes (most 'of the homes he visited were counterrevolutionary). Most of toe copies were quite beatuidicatin gto him'that they had been passed from nand to hand. In his opinion, people treasurei the copies that they had. He cited the case of one girl who carried copies in her handbag to show to other girls in her office. Lubject s only criticism of the periodicals was that at times they became a little too flowery. In his words, Tnere were too many adjectives. He thoueht that a more direct approach would be :taore effective. He claits that everybody listens to Radio Swan but nobody believes it. He mentioned one Swan broadcast which announced.tnat bodies were lying all over the Valecon and rotting in the sun. Listeners went to view this and found that there were no oodies there. Voice of America is listened to and is quite highly regarded. Subject cited two otier oroadcasts that he considers co;ur.ter revolutionary and whicn gre well thought of; one originates from New York and one from Key %'est. He tninks that most people -isten to Miami when conditions are right. I asked why people contLnue to listen to Swan if it is so discredited. He stated that, altr.ough, it is not believed, it is still a contact with tne outside worLd. Tnere is no peralty for listering and all people will ope ly discusd Sr.Cpr T

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